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Looking at my state...and I am sure it is about the same as everywhere else. But it seems that approximately 25% of our total population has received at least their first shot. This is very encouraging and going much quicker than I anticipated. I am not overly adept at reading medical research, but from what I do understand of it...almost all the studies look incredibly promising.
 
Well next morning. I'm still having the metallic taste in mouth, slight upset stomach, little headache, and super sore arm!

Then saw the news JnJ was pulled. Glad I avoided that one for personal moral reasons, but I am sure this will slow us down getting back to normal.
 
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The Monkey said:
I'm afraid that "normal" isn't coming soon. Even though vaccinated masks and distance are still in force and our leaders aren't giving any indications of relaxing mandates.
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I’m imagining that even if mandates do relax...we’re headed more towards the public social health mindset of high populace Asian regions - we’ll see masks worn regularly from now on, especially during travel or flu season, continued heavy use of personal sanitization products, less personal social greetings (what would be a Western equivalent to a bow? A wave? 🤔) so contact is minimized outside of normal social circles.
 
GearNoir said:
I’m imagining that even if mandates do relax...we’re headed more towards the public social health mindset of high populace Asian regions - we’ll see masks worn regularly from now on, especially during travel or flu season, continued heavy use of personal sanitization products, less personal social greetings (what would be a Western equivalent to a bow? A wave? 🤔) so contact is minimized outside of normal social circles.
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This makes my soul sad. :cry:
 
CVargo said:
Then saw the news JnJ was pulled. Glad I avoided that one for personal moral reasons, but I am sure this will slow us down getting back to normal.
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I remember reading something about J&J a while back that was having some issues with their Vaccine. Also, I don't think they had the most transparent research.

Honestly, I wonder what percentage of the J&J vaccine was going to be distributed compared to the other two. Also, remember in March there was that "mix up" of ingredients for the J&J vaccine and 15 million doses were destroyed. Makes you kind of think now.
 
The Monkey said:
I'm afraid that "normal" isn't coming soon. Even though vaccinated, masks and distance are still in force and our leaders aren't giving any indications of relaxing mandates.
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Sorry, I am sure that there will always be people that are going to wear masks and social distance. That is their choice and I respect that. And in some regards I think that some of this makes sense (some of it...social distancing part particularly...I mean you don't need to be all up in someone's business in the grocery line). BUT people are going to get tired of over-reaching government limitations. This won't last forever.
GearNoir said:
I’m imagining that even if mandates do relax...we’re headed more towards the public social health mindset of high populace Asian regions - we’ll see masks worn regularly from now on, especially during travel or flu season, continued heavy use of personal sanitization products, less personal social greetings (what would be a Western equivalent to a bow? A wave? 🤔) so contact is minimized outside of normal social circles.
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This I don't understand. I mean...they (gov't healthcare system, etc) want everyone to get the vaccine. The data suggests that at least two of the vaccines are incredibly effective and even against other strains of Sars COV 2. But then they tell you that even if you get the vaccine you still have to where a mask, social distance, can't go see grandma or grandpa, can't go to a sporting event or a concert, can't have a family reunion or see some friends, have to remain indoors, need to where a mask while running a marathon, etc, etc, etc. And yeah, they wonder why some people still won't get it. Sorry, I did what they all asked me to do. If the vaccine is over 90% effective at stopping, limiting, etc, and is 99% effective at preventing death, and the mortality rate of the virus is low even without the vaccine, yeah...sorry...count me down as someone who is going to do what he wants to do.
 
CVargo said:
And the fever has set in. And I have an interview in two hours.
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Let them know right at the start that you had your 2nd jab and feeling not 100%. They can either reschedule or take that into consideration when you start drooling. Either way, it's better than them having the impression that drooling and Wednesday Night Zoom "Chad hair" is your normal state.
 
CVargo said:
And the fever has set in. And I have an interview in two hours.
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woodpusher said:
Let them know right at the start that you had your 2nd jab and feeling not 100%. They can either reschedule or take that into consideration
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Hang in there Chad! I agree with Sam. Maybe with something this important they can be understanding and reschedule. You need to be at your best for the interview 👍


dangerousdon said:
Sorry, I am sure that there will always be people that are going to wear masks and social distance. That is their choice and I respect that. And in some regards I think that some of this makes sense (some of it...social distancing part particularly...I mean you don't need to be all up in someone's business in the grocery line). BUT people are going to get tired of over-reaching government limitations. This won't last forever.

This I don't understand. I mean...they (gov't healthcare system, etc) want everyone to get the vaccine. The data suggests that at least two of the vaccines are incredibly effective and even against other strains of Sars COV 2. But then they tell you that even if you get the vaccine you still have to where a mask, social distance, can't go see grandma or grandpa, can't go to a sporting event or a concert, can't have a family reunion or see some friends, have to remain indoors, need to where a mask while running a marathon, etc, etc, etc. And yeah, they wonder why some people still won't get it. Sorry, I did what they all asked me to do. If the vaccine is over 90% effective at stopping, limiting, etc, and is 99% effective at preventing death, and the mortality rate of the virus is low even without the vaccine, yeah...sorry...count me down as someone who is going to do what he wants to do.
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I think in general, right now (not saying this is you), people are largely fed up with being told what to do for so long and jumping through hoops. That’s the main struggle.

Let’s face the fact too that public health and federal/state power is trying to cover its own butts to an extent as well. You might imagine the repercussions on them if they had told folks to do whatever they want earlier than now. It’s quite a double edged sword IMO.

Until this gets more moderately under control in terms of knowing more information about COVID and its long term effects and the vaccine’s long terms effectiveness (have you seen the speculation that yearly booster shots may be needed?), and obtains a flu-like social status when a better overall herd immunity is reached (which will take many years I’d imagine, if not decades)...then it’s just going to be an ongoing back and forth.

Being that we’re so much more health conscious these days and tend to take health guru and internet say-so a lot more in mind than before, I just see that future I talked about (masks, sanitization, and some measure of social distancing) becoming a long term reality. Don’t misunderstand though, I think folks will act quite freely in their own close social circles, it’s just in their broader social interactions and travel that we’ll see this trend.
 
GearNoir said:
Let’s face the fact too that public health and federal/state power is trying to cover its own butts to an extent as well.
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You mean like having a state policy that requires nursing homes to take Covid positive patients? 😜
GearNoir said:
(have you seen the speculation that yearly booster shots may be needed
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Yeah, I saw this. It's just fear mongering. There may be some who say we need it...but honestly, the little I know about the mRNA technology, I don't know why this would be a necessary. But of course you are talking to the guy who had to take Biology 101 in college a bunch of times.
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which will take many years I’d imagine, if not decades
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There were some experts that say it will happen this year. Honestly, if a guy is talking and says he is an expert...I immediately tune out. At this point so many experts got so much wrong for the wrong reasons...I am not sure who I should listen to. I get it...there was a lot we didn't know...but as you learn more, it is okay to say that you got it wrong and based on the latest data this is what we should do. Instead...we had "experts" that doubled down on things. Sorry, I am of the opinion that "science" cannot be rational with common sense. Notice I put science in quotation marks.
 
dangerousdon said:
I remember reading something about J&J a while back that was having some issues with their Vaccine. Also, I don't think they had the most transparent research.

Honestly, I wonder what percentage of the J&J vaccine was going to be distributed compared to the other two. Also, remember in March there was that "mix up" of ingredients for the J&J vaccine and 15 million doses were destroyed. Makes you kind of think now.
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Okay, just doing a brief review of some articles of the J&J vaccine. I am still not a huge fan of it for a bunch of reasons. Some moral and some because I am just skeptical. But it appears that the J&J vaccine was pulled over six cases of blood clots? SIX CASES? Out of almost 7 Million doses administered? Do you know what that is called? Statistically irrelevant. I mean, there are documented cases of people dying after getting the Moderna or Pfizer shots (not saying that the shots were the cause), those were not pulled. All six cases of the Blood Clots happened in women and happened within six to 13 days after the shot. Six cases? Oh and it appears that no one has died.
 
dangerousdon said:
Yeah, I saw this. It's just fear mongering. There may be some who say we need it...but honestly, the little I know about the mRNA technology, I don't know why this would be a necessary. But of course you are talking to the guy who had to take Biology 101 in college a bunch of times.
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Variants. Just like the flu.
 
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